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## Definability of linear equation systems over groups and ringsAdd to your list(s) Download to your calendar using vCal - Pakusa, W (RWTH Aachen University)
- Thursday 29 March 2012, 15:00-15:30
- Seminar Room 1, Newton Institute.
If you have a question about this talk, please contact Mustapha Amrani. Semantics and Syntax: A Legacy of Alan Turing joint work with A. Dawar, E. Grädel, B. Holm, E. Kopczynski) One of the major open question in finite model theory is whether there is a logic for PTIME . As one promising candidate, fixed-point logic with counting, FPC , has been studied extensively, and indeed, FPC has been shown to capture PTIME on important classes of structures. Although Cai, Fürer and Immerman ruled out FPC for the general case already in 1992, it was only in 2007 that Atserias et. al [1] found a class of natural problems explaining the major shortcoming of FPC . Specifically, they proved that the important problem of solving linear equation systems (SLES) over finite Abelian groups cannot be expressed in FPC ; moreover, all other known queries separating FPC from PTIME turned out to be reducible to SLES via simple logical reductions. Hence, problems from algebra provide a new source of operators which have polynomial-time data complexity and which might be used to strictly extend the expressive power of FPC (cf. the notion of rank logics [2]). Motivated by these insights, we study SLES over various classes of finite groups and rings from the viewpoint of logical (inter-)definability. All problems that we consider are decidable in polynomial time, but not expressible in FPC . Based on the structure theory of finite rings, we prove that on important classes of rings, SLES can be reduced to SLES over cyclic groups, which constitute the most basic class of tractable domains for SLES . Furthermore, we prove closure properties for classes of queries that reduce to SLES over fixed rings. As one application, these closure properties provide normal forms for logics extended with solvability operators. [1] Albert Atserias, Andrei A. Bulatov, and Anuj Dawar. Affine systems of equations and counting infinitary logic. Theor. Comput. Sci., 2009. [2] Anuj Dawar, Martin Grohe, Bjarki Holm, and Bastian Laubner. Logics with rank operators. In LICS ’09: Proceedings of the 2009 24th Annual IEEE Symposium on Logic In Computer Science, 2009 This talk is part of the Isaac Newton Institute Seminar Series series. ## This talk is included in these lists:- All CMS events
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